tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post7118076089858333113..comments2023-11-02T09:08:36.866-04:00Comments on the word cage: Greetings from Thunderland.marybidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14100986477346925113noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-66710075548568563392008-06-29T06:56:00.000-04:002008-06-29T06:56:00.000-04:00I have a notes page in my mss. The notes note (ha...I have a notes page in my mss. The notes note (ha!) the language I've stolen from other poets. It's only fair.Eduardo C. Corralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558862283491222298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-27117253742448072302008-06-24T18:07:00.000-04:002008-06-24T18:07:00.000-04:00No notes for me. Unless they concern orange peels....No notes for me. Unless they concern orange peels.Jay Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101435453238614195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-42546487725724101892008-06-24T15:48:00.000-04:002008-06-24T15:48:00.000-04:00We've been having nearly daily t-storms, some viol...We've been having nearly daily t-storms, some violent, some just fun. I like 'em. As long as no trees fall on my house.<BR/><BR/>As for notes, well, I'm such a po-gossip I read everything, including notes. Mostly, if you need them, you should have them, because I feel like if your poems owe something to another writer or artist or source, you gotta fess up. <BR/><BR/>But I hate notes that are all 'look at me, aren't I well read.' <BR/><BR/>I've considered making up notes to obscure or nonexistent sources. Like, "in line 86 of the third poem, I use the word shiver in sense of the 1574 citation of the blah blah as cited (and deleted in subsequent editions) in the 1891 edition of the OED."Lesliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11163920808413285914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-45421159618674651872008-06-24T10:30:00.000-04:002008-06-24T10:30:00.000-04:00I don't like notes. I think they are a bad habit ...I don't like notes. I think they are a bad habit and should be reserved for when the reader asks for them. I still read them, but with a mildly morbid (tank you Bill Logan) fascination, wondering why they mean anything to me.Justin Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161484350184865575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-43484683553036570392008-06-24T10:09:00.000-04:002008-06-24T10:09:00.000-04:00DC is known for the 6-7 PM June thunderstorm. I li...DC is known for the 6-7 PM June thunderstorm. I like them, as long as I can be watching from my balcony versus walking home from work! No hail, thankfully.<BR/><BR/>I'm not crazy about Notes sections. Even when they are crucial...for example, the notes to Dan Chiasson's _Natural History_ are what give clear credit to Pliny the Elder--right down to borrowing phrases and imagery to flesh out Chaisson's "Elephant" poems. A second paragraph credits many more borrowed lines from more recent authors--Forrest Gander, Maxim Gorky, Desales Harrison. <BR/><BR/>Chaisson's a brilliant guy, and he steals in the most honorable tradition of T.S. Eliot. If you'd given me all this sourcing in conversation or buried in the introduction/acknowledgement pages, I'd have been fine with it. But as the last page in a book I loved? It's a little...deflating. The curtain pulled back on the wizard of Oz.Sandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108785153248826337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-41749364485416787252008-06-24T02:49:00.000-04:002008-06-24T02:49:00.000-04:00I vote no notes. It's kind of like the poet who st...I vote no notes. It's kind of like the poet who stands up at a reading and blathers on explaining the poem, what it means, who it's about, why they wrote it, etc. I always tell my students that the work should be able to stand on its own. Notes are like the writer whispering, "and..."newzoopoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00110035245090529092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-8614766646325744082008-06-23T21:47:00.000-04:002008-06-23T21:47:00.000-04:00I like David Foster Wallace amusing/enlightening-t...I like David Foster Wallace amusing/enlightening-tangent notes and Gabriel Gudding Defense of Poetry more-mini-poems/jokes notes that are fun to read in their own right. I hate dry explanatory notes. (But I'm a filthy hypocrite because I praised the dry explanatory note section in Susan Tichy's new book. That was because a good portion of it was notes of a personal nature that I could not have looked up elsewhere.)Steven D. Schroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13485188072556490050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-68971225816517258092008-06-23T20:20:00.000-04:002008-06-23T20:20:00.000-04:00Of course I'm pro notes, because I have to be! I c...Of course I'm pro notes, because I have to be! I can't assume everyone knows everything about x obscure myth or y obscure folk tale or even z anime/comic book reference, but I still want those things in my poems, and you can only put so much "data" in the poems.<BR/>Plus, I'm one of those crazies who LOVES reading other poem's notes. I think the Waste Land was probably the beginning of this, but I like the little bit of "solving a mystery" feel you get from looking in the back of a book.Jeanninehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419593830749483323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-14334784189507378582008-06-23T18:21:00.000-04:002008-06-23T18:21:00.000-04:00I actually like notes -- as long as they give more...I actually like notes -- as long as they give more information, but don't explain the poems themselves! (And yes, hailstorms, thunderstorms, flash floods -- everything that is hitting Ohio seems to hit Western NY, too!)Karen J. Weyanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04870809238605691875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-25201166208768666382008-06-23T18:06:00.000-04:002008-06-23T18:06:00.000-04:00I don't like notes--if I want to find out more, I'...I don't like notes--if I want to find out more, I'll look it up myself.Valerie Lovelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11309299429765944601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-12277993251996380912008-06-23T17:42:00.000-04:002008-06-23T17:42:00.000-04:00I classify as "thunderstorm" any storm strong enou...I classify as "thunderstorm" any storm strong enough to wash the bird poop off my car. If my black Elantra is still polka-dotted white the next day, I'm always a little disappointed.<BR/><BR/>I like the name "Thunder Blog," by the way. The byline could be, "Two bloggers enter, one blogger leaves...a comment."<BR/><BR/>I think notes sections for books of poetry would be more interesting, if not more useful, if the notes referred to criticisms of the poems in their draft stages. What a rich experience for the reader to come upon such classics as "Fish or cut bait?" or "Break up with her already!" I only speak from experience, however, but your mileage may vary in terms of the useful criticisms you've recieved.P. J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08752227008206130069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-61757084136044142192008-06-23T17:03:00.000-04:002008-06-23T17:03:00.000-04:00On notes, I defer to page 69 of Steve Davenport's ...On notes, I defer to page 69 of Steve Davenport's <I>Uncontainable Noise</I> that reads thus: <BR/><BR/>"Note on No Notes: <BR/><BR/>This book jimmies a few lids and doors to borrow a phrase here and there. If probity on faith is impossible and notes you must, then ask and I'll give sources. I took no oath."Adam Deutschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691557598591760742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-13684615518765166212008-06-23T16:55:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:55:00.000-04:00Aren't the notes to The Waste Land better than the...Aren't the notes to The Waste Land better than the text itself?myshkin2https://www.blogger.com/profile/16761111724832118246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-76418321804850081362008-06-23T16:49:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:49:00.000-04:00How do you feel about NOTES sections in books of p...How do you feel about NOTES sections in books of poetry--<BR/><BR/>I like the note section, but only if the poems are strong enough to stand on their own without the notes. If I have to keep turning to figure out what's happening or to be clued in to poet's secret world of wonder, I think they are being used incorrectly.<BR/><BR/>However, if I read a poem, enjoy it then go to the notes to see say the recipe of something mentioned in the poem, a translation, or just a little info on something in the poem, it's as if I've been given a gift, that I can read the poem again and get even a little something more out of it, a sort of second helping in the poetry world, that I like.Kelli Russell Agodon - Book of Kellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798460634708905783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-61657772123251690772008-06-23T16:41:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:41:00.000-04:00Did you get any grapefruit-sized hail, perchance?I...Did you get any grapefruit-sized hail, perchance?<BR/><BR/>Is it still winter in your weather system?marybidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100986477346925113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13502106.post-30994878134144296352008-06-23T16:38:00.000-04:002008-06-23T16:38:00.000-04:00I'm also getting bombarded with t storms. But we'r...I'm also getting bombarded with t storms. But we're (mostly) in the same weather system. You should see the pictures of all the hail we got here yesterday.....<BR/><BR/>PS--You forgot a picture of some fruit to go with your post!Jay Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101435453238614195noreply@blogger.com